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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Feb 7, 2010 8:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Halftime show

I absolutely LOVE the Who, but they are toast as a live act, as everyone could see tonight. Thank God for the light show to act as a distraction.

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Poster: Vance Capley Date: Feb 7, 2010 8:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

Perhaps we were watching a different half-tme show. I thought the Who was awesome and they will continue to be so even after they f-f-f-fade away.

ps thanks for even mentioning the Who's haltime show.

pss the drummer was putting me asleep (ha.)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 7, 2010 9:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

"the drummer was putting me asleep (ha.)"

still a better drummer than his old man. Hell, his dad doesn't even drum in his "all star" band - and "sings" like Bobby W.

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Poster: littledirewolfy Date: Feb 8, 2010 8:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

In his extensive survey of The Beatles' recording sessions, Mark Lewisohn confirmed that Starr was both proficient and remarkably reliable and consistent. According to Lewisohn, there were fewer than a dozen occasions in The Beatles' eight-year recording career where session 'breakdowns' were caused by Starr making a mistake, while the vast majority of takes were stopped owing to mistakes by the other three members.

Drummer Steve Smith extolled Starr's qualities beyond the technical, in terms of his musical contribution as drummer:
“ Before Ringo, drum stars were measured by their soloing ability and virtuosity. Ringo's popularity brought forth a new paradigm in how the public saw drummers. We started to see the drummer as an equal participant in the compositional aspect. One of Ringo's great qualities was that he composed unique, stylistic drum parts for The Beatles songs. His parts are so signature to the songs that you can listen to a Ringo drum part without the rest of the music and still identify the song.

While Starr himself has been the first to acknowledge the technical limitations of his drumming for The Beatles, the overall effect of his contribution has received high praise from notable drummers. Starr said, "Whenever I hear another drummer I know I'm no good. I'm no good on the technical things [...] I'm your basic offbeat drummer with funny fills. The fills were funny because I'm really left-handed playing a right-handed kit. I can't roll around the drums because of that."[1] George Martin's version was, "Ringo hit good and hard and used the tom-tom well, even though he couldn't do a roll to save his life", although Martin later added, "He's got tremendous feel. He always helped us to hit the right tempo for a song, and gave it that support—that rock-solid back-beat—that made the recording of all The Beatles' songs that much easier."[1] Lennon, asked if Starr was the best drummer in the world, jokingly replied, "He's not even the best drummer in The Beatles!",[42] but also said, "Ringo's a damn good drummer. He always was a good drummer. He's not technically good, but I think Ringo's drumming is underrated the same way as Paul's bass playing is underrated."[1] McCartney sent Starr a postcard on 31 January 1969 (the day after the band's performance on the roof of Apple Studios) stating: 'You are the greatest drummer in the world. Really.' This postcard is included in Starr's book Postcards From The Boys.

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Poster: snori Date: Feb 8, 2010 5:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

You may be familiar with this, but if not ...

In an interview with The Beatles John was asked 'Is Ringo the best drummer in the world ?' Quick as a flash he replied 'He's not even the best drummer in The Beatles.' Many a true word spoken in jest ?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 8, 2010 7:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

Yep--isn't the story that Paul M would sneak back in and redo the drum lines for various songs in the studio? Something like that...or at least for one song...

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Poster: snori Date: Feb 8, 2010 7:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

I hadn't heard that, I thought it was just a Lennon wind-up, but it's quite possible. His drumming was often referred to as 'understated' which I take to mean reliable.

Zac's drumming is technically good, but the mad Moon thrashing was more in keeping with the Who's amphetamine-fuelled high energy shows.

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Feb 8, 2010 8:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

Zak looked off his game last night IMO . Myself I kinda think there styles as similar. but last night's preformance was funtional with what he had to work with.
Was Pete having guitar issues at the end of that last solo? It seemed to me that he popped something

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leMm0ZSxUqA

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 8, 2010 8:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

As much as I liked them, it was funny to see his belly button there, and for a geezer, though it looks better than mine, you can't get around it being a bit odd...but I suppose you are alluding to something else that "popped", eh?

And, though I appreciate that there is always a great deal of variation in how folks perceive "their" bands 30-40 yrs later, while geezers, I am surprised by the variation in assessments above concerning this brief show...also, whomever it was that said they are not at their best "live"...I have thought that about some of their shows, but certainly they have some legendary performances, and the one island show from 69 or 70 or so (damn, was it Mann or Wight?) has some amazing highlights...

Maybe I misunderstood the post on live vs studio for them.

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Feb 8, 2010 8:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

It is the Isle of Wight, Your right about the highlights from that, one of my favorites is when the crowd made Joni Mitchell cry, haha no that ain't cool. Something about since woodstock was free why isn't this?, Your selling out and the rest of that garbage about music should be free.
Anyway, I digress as usual, I was talking about Petes guitar, I missed the belly-button malfuntion, It just seemed to me his whole guitar rig dropped out at the end,
Its a fair comparrison I guess with the talk about whether Manning hurt his legacy with his superbowl preformance, can the same be judged of Pete and Rodger, I mean I've loved that band since I was 5 yrs old. Pete wrote on the Who by Numbers " I wonder in the dead of night, How do I rate?, Pretty good guys, LONG LIVE ROCK !
They were honestly a steam hammer of a band live at one point. But it is there studio work with Tommy and then on to Who's next, to be followed shortly by Quadraphenia, the material they have to pull from is endless.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Feb 8, 2010 6:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

I don't think it's too hard to make Joni Mitchell cry, the one time I saw her (Boston in 1983) she stormed off the stage and wouldn't return after 2 or 3 songs because the audience wasn't being attentive enough to her.

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Feb 8, 2010 6:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

Maybe she was pissed that big yellow taxi took away her old man... Hell hath no fury like a diva ignored ,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKRThOEPl7Y

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Feb 9, 2010 6:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

Yeah, I think that's it. I like her music but she's definitely a bit of a diva. I didn't ever care to see her after that.

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Poster: LoogyHanger Date: Feb 8, 2010 3:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn5vYOwCTak

LOOK ITS TOMMY !!!

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Feb 8, 2010 5:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

Dr.Jimmy would surely make a housecall if needed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JosO5RSZ84

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Poster: LoogyHanger Date: Feb 8, 2010 8:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

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"I'm glad petey likes boys"

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Feb 8, 2010 9:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

You aren't wicked Uncle Ernie are you?

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Poster: LoogyHanger Date: Feb 8, 2010 9:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

NOW REALLY.....

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Feb 8, 2010 9:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8QZLF2EdDs&;feature=related

she's just a girl ...

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Poster: LoogyHanger Date: Feb 8, 2010 3:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

with one do you like better >

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9mUGbS2XXE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38f0m07Bq0o

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Poster: snori Date: Feb 8, 2010 3:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

The best is 'Live at Leeds' - originally just a single album with just six tracks on it, only three of which are Townsend songs. The De-luxe double CD is whole different beast, and really captures them at their peak. Many more Townsend songs on the first disc, and a load of 'Tommy' on the second. Really powerful, and if you were to own only on Who release ....

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 8, 2010 3:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

I really liked Pete's acoustic work on the "Secret Policeman's Ball" or some such from the late 70s early 80s...

As I rant on about down below, I think they really deserve to be cut some slack...Dire and Johnny are just ganging up cause we couldn't slice and dice the PATS, so the brits will have to do...and they do, don't they though?

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Poster: EclipsespilcE Date: Feb 8, 2010 3:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

I remember that, and I agree! I think they were benefit shows, recorded and released (theatrically?) on VHS and Beta. Crud, what song did he play??
There was a great bit on one of them where a guy teaches you how to "speak" Japanese by being Cold, Constipated and Forgetful.

Dangit, I think he played Pinball Wizard. Is that right?


This post was modified by EclipsespilcE on 2010-02-08 23:58:04

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Poster: snori Date: Feb 8, 2010 4:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

He played 'Pinball Wizard', 'Won't get fooled again', and this less well known number http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq1t-AZ03oE

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Poster: EclipsespilcE Date: Feb 8, 2010 6:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

Rock!

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Poster: cush212 Date: Feb 8, 2010 3:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

...That would be the one...

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Feb 8, 2010 1:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

Will- That's Mac on drums and bass for "The Ballad of John and Yoko"- George and Ringo were tied up, and Lennon was hot to get his new song recorded, so only he and Paul are actually present on that song. haven't ever heard any credible info that paul plays drums on any other track, but who knows.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 8, 2010 1:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

thanks SB; yep, I'd heard of that one, but this scenario is more along the lines of "being disappointed with his drumming...Paul returned to the studio...re-recorded the drum track..." or some such...

Searching on the web comes up with all sorts of bizarre speculation, and that could've very well been all I ever read yrs ago.

like you say, "who knows"?

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Feb 8, 2010 3:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

Paul played on Back in the USSR and Dear Prudence. This was when Ringo quit in August 1968, returning later after the songs were recorded. John and George also added some drum parts to Back in the USSR which can be heard in the left channel.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Feb 8, 2010 5:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

So it seems. I know Ringo left for a short period during the White Album sessions but I guess I always assumed none of the "filled in" drums actually made it onto the album. Thanks for info- there's a little more info here for those (like me) who were not aware of this:

http://www.beatlesbible.com/songs/back-in-the-ussr/

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Feb 8, 2010 5:57pm
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Another tidbit about Ringo:

He made a fortune selling smokeless ashtrays and pocket fisherman fishing rods.


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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Feb 8, 2010 5:58pm
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Oops, I'm sorry, that's a revelation about RONCO.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Feb 8, 2010 6:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Maybe I'm Amazed

Paul was known also to take guitar solos, much to the chagrin of George. Examples are the slide solo on 'Drive My Car', and the fuzzed out solo on George's own 'Taxman'.

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Poster: Bob Gnarley Date: Feb 8, 2010 7:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the Who's Halftime show

"If I pissed on an empty, upside down coffee can, I would be a better drummer than ringo." - Maynard
(from the comments section of the below post)

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2010/02/05/weekend-rock-list-best-drummers/

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